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	<title>Comments on: Anti-skateboard devices on the Embarcadero</title>
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		<title>By: unconcerned sk8r</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-552011</link>
		<author>unconcerned sk8r</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-552011</guid>
		<description>yeah well i just like skating the perfect spot even if you have to pay it with your childrens college fund, im going to skateboard wherever, and whenever i want i hate all of you. faggots</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah well i just like skating the perfect spot even if you have to pay it with your childrens college fund, im going to skateboard wherever, and whenever i want i hate all of you. faggots</p>
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		<title>By: Josten</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551514</link>
		<author>Josten</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551514</guid>
		<description>http://filmtalks.net/post/2007/10/24/freedom-of-space/#a

Watch this it's about skateboarding spots and the significance of them. When there is a spot that is not made for skateboarding it is art. Just look at how stupid the mayor of philadephia was about love park.</description>
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<p>Watch this it&#8217;s about skateboarding spots and the significance of them. When there is a spot that is not made for skateboarding it is art. Just look at how stupid the mayor of philadephia was about love park.</p>
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		<title>By: unConcerned skater</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551397</link>
		<author>unConcerned skater</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551397</guid>
		<description>i'll be waiting to see what you have to say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll be waiting to see what you have to say!</p>
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		<title>By: unConcerned skater</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551396</link>
		<author>unConcerned skater</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-551396</guid>
		<description>Look i am not to worried about those skate stoppers, but you people have no right to say were bad people I skate, i go to school, i do what my my mother says, i even say excuse me when i get in someones way. people are always in my way, either they walk really fucking slow or they just arent looking, whether im walking or skateboarding i'm always watching my own step, how about you watch where you're going and we won't run into eachother, oh and i dont need you to build me a skate park... I already skate in front of your business. hahaha. no offense but fuck all of you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look i am not to worried about those skate stoppers, but you people have no right to say were bad people I skate, i go to school, i do what my my mother says, i even say excuse me when i get in someones way. people are always in my way, either they walk really fucking slow or they just arent looking, whether im walking or skateboarding i&#8217;m always watching my own step, how about you watch where you&#8217;re going and we won&#8217;t run into eachother, oh and i dont need you to build me a skate park&#8230; I already skate in front of your business. hahaha. no offense but fuck all of you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-550562</link>
		<author>Bob Jenkins</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-550562</guid>
		<description>I see people are still commenting on this article so I'll give my story.

Skateboarders were tearing up the cement benches and walks down by the lake downtown in my hometown. I yelled at one to knock it off after they nearly struck an old woman on a bench with a flying board.

He flipped me the bird right in my face. Do you know how hard it is to break a single exposed digit like that? It isn't. I snapped his finger and he screamed like a b-tch. He said "W.T.F. you do that for, Ahole?" and I told him to stop being a punk-a$$ b-tch. 

One of his friends ran up to hit me and I lifted my leg right into his path. I didn't have to do anything other than straighten my leg as his momentum provided the push needed to knock him unconcious with the bottom of my boots. I monkey-stomped his head once afterwards. I guess it is bad sportsmanship to hit an unconcious fellow, and for that I'm sorry.

Cops came, I was on video "defending myself" and the kids got charged with assault. LoL. The middle-finger flipping appeared like a swing at my face on tape. Open and shut case!

I sued the parents of the kids to recover damage from my boots which had blood stains on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see people are still commenting on this article so I&#8217;ll give my story.</p>
<p>Skateboarders were tearing up the cement benches and walks down by the lake downtown in my hometown. I yelled at one to knock it off after they nearly struck an old woman on a bench with a flying board.</p>
<p>He flipped me the bird right in my face. Do you know how hard it is to break a single exposed digit like that? It isn&#8217;t. I snapped his finger and he screamed like a b-tch. He said &#8220;W.T.F. you do that for, Ahole?&#8221; and I told him to stop being a punk-a$$ b-tch. </p>
<p>One of his friends ran up to hit me and I lifted my leg right into his path. I didn&#8217;t have to do anything other than straighten my leg as his momentum provided the push needed to knock him unconcious with the bottom of my boots. I monkey-stomped his head once afterwards. I guess it is bad sportsmanship to hit an unconcious fellow, and for that I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>Cops came, I was on video &#8220;defending myself&#8221; and the kids got charged with assault. LoL. The middle-finger flipping appeared like a swing at my face on tape. Open and shut case!</p>
<p>I sued the parents of the kids to recover damage from my boots which had blood stains on them.</p>
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		<title>By: anti anti skaters</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-547527</link>
		<author>anti anti skaters</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-547527</guid>
		<description>i hate all you people who hate "US" skaters i love too skate and so do all my friends. skating is not a crime its the same thing as biking or rollerblading "US" skaters are gonna keep skating and none of those blockers are going too help so just stop and let us skate. where ever and ps most people are dicks too us so seriously fuck off you fucken dumb asses... so many people are with us too. you people try too kick me out ill come right back there im never going too give up its not fucken crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate all you people who hate &#8220;US&#8221; skaters i love too skate and so do all my friends. skating is not a crime its the same thing as biking or rollerblading &#8220;US&#8221; skaters are gonna keep skating and none of those blockers are going too help so just stop and let us skate. where ever and ps most people are dicks too us so seriously fuck off you fucken dumb asses&#8230; so many people are with us too. you people try too kick me out ill come right back there im never going too give up its not fucken crime.</p>
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		<title>By: jocoz101</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-539807</link>
		<author>jocoz101</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-539807</guid>
		<description>SkH8ter is a dick! and needs to realise that skateboarding is a unique and technical sport, when skaters start skating, and get really into it, they cant just stay in one spot for the whole day, we feel the need to explore and use seeminly unskateable obstacles  to improvise and use! its unfair treating skateboarders in this way, if you dont like us skating in your public places build us more skateparks or unique street style spots to skate!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SkH8ter is a dick! and needs to realise that skateboarding is a unique and technical sport, when skaters start skating, and get really into it, they cant just stay in one spot for the whole day, we feel the need to explore and use seeminly unskateable obstacles  to improvise and use! its unfair treating skateboarders in this way, if you dont like us skating in your public places build us more skateparks or unique street style spots to skate!!</p>
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		<title>By: DdoubleDot</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-534824</link>
		<author>DdoubleDot</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-534824</guid>
		<description>I wonder why soooo many people complain about skating...I also wonder about why working professionals would go to such great lengths to stop skating in densely populated centers.  If I was running down the street and did a jump off a retaining wall smashing into someone, it would be all in good fun... No big deal if a skater tackles me, I will simply return the favour, all in good fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why soooo many people complain about skating&#8230;I also wonder about why working professionals would go to such great lengths to stop skating in densely populated centers.  If I was running down the street and did a jump off a retaining wall smashing into someone, it would be all in good fun&#8230; No big deal if a skater tackles me, I will simply return the favour, all in good fun.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-522218</link>
		<author>dave</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-522218</guid>
		<description>Don't take skateboarding from us!
That's all we have!
Skateparks cost to much and arn't designed like real street skating wants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t take skateboarding from us!<br />
That&#8217;s all we have!<br />
Skateparks cost to much and arn&#8217;t designed like real street skating wants!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-518471</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-518471</guid>
		<description>Why do they try to stop you, it is easy.  These people have to pay for the damage skateboards cause to their property, I mean would you want some stranger coming into your room and playing football in it and damage your stuff? No.  The same go for businesses.  Also skateboarding in parking garages were other people drive and don't know you are there also posses a danger for you.  I mean a bit of common sense people.  You are a lawsuit waiting to happen if you get hurt, you are costly damages to expesive property and you are front page news when a trick goes wring and a car runs you over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they try to stop you, it is easy.  These people have to pay for the damage skateboards cause to their property, I mean would you want some stranger coming into your room and playing football in it and damage your stuff? No.  The same go for businesses.  Also skateboarding in parking garages were other people drive and don&#8217;t know you are there also posses a danger for you.  I mean a bit of common sense people.  You are a lawsuit waiting to happen if you get hurt, you are costly damages to expesive property and you are front page news when a trick goes wring and a car runs you over.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-518101</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-518101</guid>
		<description>nice to see all sides of the arguments represented, I fell these anti skate devices are definitely poor compromises in design. Landscape Architects, Architects, Planners and Designers today have to consider skateboarding and other similar pursuits when designing in the urban realm, it's not going to go away.
As a creative people skaters will just engage with these new obstacles in a different fashion, however i disagree that grind/slide marks are ugly, they generally smooth away a sharp edge and contribute to the texture of the environment, furthermore skaters bring energy and life into what are often quite sterile places .
In todays climate of rising obesity, youth crime and impending environmental catastrophe, an activity that draws people  away from their couches, provides an outlet for the youthful energy and needs for socialising/personality affirmation etc and provides an alternative method of transport to cars/motorbilkes is definately a good thing.
These anti skate devices are a testament to the lazy, unimaginative, unprogressive and anti-social attitudes that unfortunately still exist in some parts of society today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice to see all sides of the arguments represented, I fell these anti skate devices are definitely poor compromises in design. Landscape Architects, Architects, Planners and Designers today have to consider skateboarding and other similar pursuits when designing in the urban realm, it&#8217;s not going to go away.<br />
As a creative people skaters will just engage with these new obstacles in a different fashion, however i disagree that grind/slide marks are ugly, they generally smooth away a sharp edge and contribute to the texture of the environment, furthermore skaters bring energy and life into what are often quite sterile places .<br />
In todays climate of rising obesity, youth crime and impending environmental catastrophe, an activity that draws people  away from their couches, provides an outlet for the youthful energy and needs for socialising/personality affirmation etc and provides an alternative method of transport to cars/motorbilkes is definately a good thing.<br />
These anti skate devices are a testament to the lazy, unimaginative, unprogressive and anti-social attitudes that unfortunately still exist in some parts of society today.</p>
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		<title>By: lucy</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-513925</link>
		<author>lucy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-513925</guid>
		<description>ok wat would u rather have: a chava beating up and assaulting people or a skater grinding stuff?
 i think theyre more important things than keeping skateboarders from skating and its not called a wheely its called a manual so if your gonna prove a point get your facts right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok wat would u rather have: a chava beating up and assaulting people or a skater grinding stuff?<br />
 i think theyre more important things than keeping skateboarders from skating and its not called a wheely its called a manual so if your gonna prove a point get your facts right</p>
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		<title>By: Antho</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511857</link>
		<author>Antho</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511857</guid>
		<description>Hi!

I'm a 22 y/o french guy who moved to SF, and I'm looking for some last spots to ride. 

Not really into griding, more looking for some flat place like Wallenberg high school to skate "quietly" without being hassled !

Also could meet some cool people to chill!

Get back at me !

Take care m8s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 22 y/o french guy who moved to SF, and I&#8217;m looking for some last spots to ride. </p>
<p>Not really into griding, more looking for some flat place like Wallenberg high school to skate &#8220;quietly&#8221; without being hassled !</p>
<p>Also could meet some cool people to chill!</p>
<p>Get back at me !</p>
<p>Take care m8s</p>
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		<title>By: Sawyer</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511485</link>
		<author>Sawyer</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511485</guid>
		<description>Okay, let's start off with this. Honestly, all the people on here who say that skaters are all delinquents and rude and assholes, that is not true. Don't stereotype people if you have no idea what you're talking about. I skate, and believe me, i'm not just trying to defend skaters, but grinding on ledges and benches does NOT damage them, bike pegs, however, do damage them. We are being set aside as a "terrible" group of teenagers, when we're really just doing what we love. Now, to all you people who say it takes no talent, try doing one trick. Sure, riding on the board is easy, but everything else takes time and hard work to learn. Skating is only a hobby, there's nothing wrong with it. Think back to when you were kids. All you adults who have nothing better to do need to get over it and do something with your life. Seriously, haha, you're sitting at a computer trying to scheme and plot about ways to make skateboarders lives miserable, real mature jackasses. Just stop hating on skaters and go get a hobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s start off with this. Honestly, all the people on here who say that skaters are all delinquents and rude and assholes, that is not true. Don&#8217;t stereotype people if you have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. I skate, and believe me, i&#8217;m not just trying to defend skaters, but grinding on ledges and benches does NOT damage them, bike pegs, however, do damage them. We are being set aside as a &#8220;terrible&#8221; group of teenagers, when we&#8217;re really just doing what we love. Now, to all you people who say it takes no talent, try doing one trick. Sure, riding on the board is easy, but everything else takes time and hard work to learn. Skating is only a hobby, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it. Think back to when you were kids. All you adults who have nothing better to do need to get over it and do something with your life. Seriously, haha, you&#8217;re sitting at a computer trying to scheme and plot about ways to make skateboarders lives miserable, real mature jackasses. Just stop hating on skaters and go get a hobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason Rauch</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511220</link>
		<author>Mason Rauch</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511220</guid>
		<description>Need some help with whole "advocacy"
visit Skaters For Public Skateparks a global advocacy group, they've published the public skatepark deveolopement guide (the sp advocacy bible)- YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NEED IT
SPS- www.skatepark.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need some help with whole &#8220;advocacy&#8221;<br />
visit Skaters For Public Skateparks a global advocacy group, they&#8217;ve published the public skatepark deveolopement guide (the sp advocacy bible)- YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NEED IT<br />
SPS- <a href="http://www.skatepark.org" rel="nofollow">www.skatepark.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mason Rauch</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511218</link>
		<author>Mason Rauch</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-511218</guid>
		<description>"they have never been to a city planning meeting nor have ever tried to become involved in local planning. But that will never happen because it would damage the rebel/outcast image that makes the skater who they want to be. Make the effort or shut up!" 

While many skaters haven't like it was said above it's because we don't feel they would pay us attention, because of our reputation.

Although, I don't agree with that. I live in South Carolina and have been skating for five years. I've never smoked anything, never been drunk, never hurt anybody, never started a fight, never really damaged property. In response to the quote above and the view of skateboarders that city's never listen, that is all wrong. 

At 15 years old, I started Blythewood Skate Movement, which later was incorporated into POUR IT NOW, (as POUR IT NOW, Blythewood. POUR IT NOW (meaning pour the concrete now) is a non-profit organization that advocates and raises money for public skateboard parks in South Carolina. We have met with town/city officials in Columbia, Charleston, and Blythewood and started  advocacy for real skateparks. Grassroots efforts and advocacy have grown into a soon to be park in Columbia. Columbia has been working on their project almost three years. So far they have obtained $300,000 from the city, and have raised a little over $125,000. Now, they qualify for grants, they just obtained a Tony Hawk Foundation grant for $25,0000 at a level where they qualify for all sorts of grants, it will be completed by the end of this summer. How did this happen? The city tore down their park, the skaters came to city government meetings to propose another idea. With some work and patience they have come a long ways. 

The "punk" stereotype is wrong. It developed when street skating began. With no "institution" or professional league to make us seem educated and sophisticated, and to shine a spotlight of beauty upon us, we were succeptible to being viewed badly. So when street skating began, it was at a point when there were virtually no skateparks, expanding our boundaries in public property, (the only option) we were legally "loitering" and  "trespassing" and eventually skateboarding wear would build up and become "vandalism". We had no jerseys, no helmets, or pads. We wore t-shirts and jeans. Nothing too nice, pro skaters didn't make any money, and who wants to ruin their nice clothes falling? Falls rip jeans, tricks tear shoes, the wind would blow our hair every which way. We weren't televised, just shadows in urban landscapes. We didn't do it to "fit in" we did for ourselves, and our bros. this caused us to be viewed as "rebels". Ever since the beginning in the seventies, there was always a slight rebel connotation due to our roots in surfing. The publics view grew, and while we grew too, we expanded to wider and wider audiences. We are now a diverse spectrum of kids, teenagers, and adults, mostly good and bad. Today there are 16 million skaters in the U.S. according the the national institute of government purchasing. That's more than football or baseball. Yet, as every city has a place for those, for skateboarding, many do not. 

Real skaters do it to improve themselves, and find satisfaction and personal identity.  However, when people treat us like criminals, it helps shape this "identity" of up and comers. Ingrained into their mind is societies grudge against them. So some take on these stereotypes why? It's called a self-fullfilling prophecy, a statement that inadvertedly causes itself to become true. Like how racism put african americans into povery, where some of the youth became involved in gangs and violence. Now white supremecists that still exist claim that since intergration black people have gone out control, dealing drugs and shooting. The truth is most aren't but some are. This would have never have became if people did not stereotype. So I say that stereotypes influence, oppress, and eventually can KILL, depending on how bad the stereotype is. 


My message for skateboarders, don't let these stereotypes shape your thinking. The better we look, the less we will be run off, knobbed, discriminated, ticketed, and criminalized. A good appearance  the more skate You can DEFY THE STEREOTYPE! how?
  -be considerate when skating (don't be rude, don't grind anything nice (stick to skateparks and tire marred ledges in the back of parking lots.) no city monuments.
  -don't feel like you need to fashion yourself to any "style".
  -be advocates, constantly searching for ways to reverse our reputation
  -make sure there are those among you taking the lead and representing you to City 
   officials. We cannot keep being run out forever, we must step up and do something. If 
   there are no advocacy groups in your city, YOU KNOW YOUR JOB- petition, advocate, 
   raise money if needed.
  -SUPPORT- (you do it for your local skate shops) so stand right behind any advocacy 
    group, volunteer, buy their products as much as possible. Go to their meetings and both 
    of the advocacy group and the city.
I go the Blythewood town hall meeting in a suit and tie. A critic of the skatepark came up to tell how skateboarders "don't look like honor students to me" calling us hoods. I came up to the front, all dressed up, and explained to them who we are and what the skatepark will do. Later he congratulated me. "good job" The point is most people don't know who we really are, it's up to us to show them.

I want to tell any city government that they should build parks, based on what the SKATEBOARDERS want. Don't build all vert or clunky metal. Don't enforce rules like pad requirements, you can hardly walk in those things. Don't charge. BUILD CONCRETE have a variety of obstacles, an SP system with medium sized parks in reach of all skaters (One big one is not what you want). And you will find that skateparks are the most used public facilities around. The skaters will be more than willing to help. 

If americans are serious about wanting to keep kids out of trouble, then get us off the streets, quit criminalizing us and start listening to us. 

Some skateboarders may do illegal things. Most are fairly clean. Some skaters do bad things. But one thing we all have in common is we simply want to skate, no real skaters are looking for trouble. This prevents us from seeking out drugs and gangs.  And we are a close knit community, we're like a family, accepting, supporting, and embracing each of us. Accept us as a potential positive contributors in society, and we will be urged to accept ourselves the same. The key to this, is through skateparks(/skate plazas) which give us a place to go, where we belong, a place in community, society, and life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they have never been to a city planning meeting nor have ever tried to become involved in local planning. But that will never happen because it would damage the rebel/outcast image that makes the skater who they want to be. Make the effort or shut up!&#8221; </p>
<p>While many skaters haven&#8217;t like it was said above it&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t feel they would pay us attention, because of our reputation.</p>
<p>Although, I don&#8217;t agree with that. I live in South Carolina and have been skating for five years. I&#8217;ve never smoked anything, never been drunk, never hurt anybody, never started a fight, never really damaged property. In response to the quote above and the view of skateboarders that city&#8217;s never listen, that is all wrong. </p>
<p>At 15 years old, I started Blythewood Skate Movement, which later was incorporated into POUR IT NOW, (as POUR IT NOW, Blythewood. POUR IT NOW (meaning pour the concrete now) is a non-profit organization that advocates and raises money for public skateboard parks in South Carolina. We have met with town/city officials in Columbia, Charleston, and Blythewood and started  advocacy for real skateparks. Grassroots efforts and advocacy have grown into a soon to be park in Columbia. Columbia has been working on their project almost three years. So far they have obtained $300,000 from the city, and have raised a little over $125,000. Now, they qualify for grants, they just obtained a Tony Hawk Foundation grant for $25,0000 at a level where they qualify for all sorts of grants, it will be completed by the end of this summer. How did this happen? The city tore down their park, the skaters came to city government meetings to propose another idea. With some work and patience they have come a long ways. </p>
<p>The &#8220;punk&#8221; stereotype is wrong. It developed when street skating began. With no &#8220;institution&#8221; or professional league to make us seem educated and sophisticated, and to shine a spotlight of beauty upon us, we were succeptible to being viewed badly. So when street skating began, it was at a point when there were virtually no skateparks, expanding our boundaries in public property, (the only option) we were legally &#8220;loitering&#8221; and  &#8220;trespassing&#8221; and eventually skateboarding wear would build up and become &#8220;vandalism&#8221;. We had no jerseys, no helmets, or pads. We wore t-shirts and jeans. Nothing too nice, pro skaters didn&#8217;t make any money, and who wants to ruin their nice clothes falling? Falls rip jeans, tricks tear shoes, the wind would blow our hair every which way. We weren&#8217;t televised, just shadows in urban landscapes. We didn&#8217;t do it to &#8220;fit in&#8221; we did for ourselves, and our bros. this caused us to be viewed as &#8220;rebels&#8221;. Ever since the beginning in the seventies, there was always a slight rebel connotation due to our roots in surfing. The publics view grew, and while we grew too, we expanded to wider and wider audiences. We are now a diverse spectrum of kids, teenagers, and adults, mostly good and bad. Today there are 16 million skaters in the U.S. according the the national institute of government purchasing. That&#8217;s more than football or baseball. Yet, as every city has a place for those, for skateboarding, many do not. </p>
<p>Real skaters do it to improve themselves, and find satisfaction and personal identity.  However, when people treat us like criminals, it helps shape this &#8220;identity&#8221; of up and comers. Ingrained into their mind is societies grudge against them. So some take on these stereotypes why? It&#8217;s called a self-fullfilling prophecy, a statement that inadvertedly causes itself to become true. Like how racism put african americans into povery, where some of the youth became involved in gangs and violence. Now white supremecists that still exist claim that since intergration black people have gone out control, dealing drugs and shooting. The truth is most aren&#8217;t but some are. This would have never have became if people did not stereotype. So I say that stereotypes influence, oppress, and eventually can KILL, depending on how bad the stereotype is. </p>
<p>My message for skateboarders, don&#8217;t let these stereotypes shape your thinking. The better we look, the less we will be run off, knobbed, discriminated, ticketed, and criminalized. A good appearance  the more skate You can DEFY THE STEREOTYPE! how?<br />
  -be considerate when skating (don&#8217;t be rude, don&#8217;t grind anything nice (stick to skateparks and tire marred ledges in the back of parking lots.) no city monuments.<br />
  -don&#8217;t feel like you need to fashion yourself to any &#8220;style&#8221;.<br />
  -be advocates, constantly searching for ways to reverse our reputation<br />
  -make sure there are those among you taking the lead and representing you to City<br />
   officials. We cannot keep being run out forever, we must step up and do something. If<br />
   there are no advocacy groups in your city, YOU KNOW YOUR JOB- petition, advocate,<br />
   raise money if needed.<br />
  -SUPPORT- (you do it for your local skate shops) so stand right behind any advocacy<br />
    group, volunteer, buy their products as much as possible. Go to their meetings and both<br />
    of the advocacy group and the city.<br />
I go the Blythewood town hall meeting in a suit and tie. A critic of the skatepark came up to tell how skateboarders &#8220;don&#8217;t look like honor students to me&#8221; calling us hoods. I came up to the front, all dressed up, and explained to them who we are and what the skatepark will do. Later he congratulated me. &#8220;good job&#8221; The point is most people don&#8217;t know who we really are, it&#8217;s up to us to show them.</p>
<p>I want to tell any city government that they should build parks, based on what the SKATEBOARDERS want. Don&#8217;t build all vert or clunky metal. Don&#8217;t enforce rules like pad requirements, you can hardly walk in those things. Don&#8217;t charge. BUILD CONCRETE have a variety of obstacles, an SP system with medium sized parks in reach of all skaters (One big one is not what you want). And you will find that skateparks are the most used public facilities around. The skaters will be more than willing to help. </p>
<p>If americans are serious about wanting to keep kids out of trouble, then get us off the streets, quit criminalizing us and start listening to us. </p>
<p>Some skateboarders may do illegal things. Most are fairly clean. Some skaters do bad things. But one thing we all have in common is we simply want to skate, no real skaters are looking for trouble. This prevents us from seeking out drugs and gangs.  And we are a close knit community, we&#8217;re like a family, accepting, supporting, and embracing each of us. Accept us as a potential positive contributors in society, and we will be urged to accept ourselves the same. The key to this, is through skateparks(/skate plazas) which give us a place to go, where we belong, a place in community, society, and life.</p>
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		<title>By: Leave us alone</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-509867</link>
		<author>Leave us alone</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William J. you are a hypocrite. "Public areas belong to everyone, not just one group". Hmmm.... So you are saying it doesn't belong to just 1 group? Why are we still kicked out of public spaces, why are we still being put down? No shit we destroy property but if we don't mother nature will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William J. you are a hypocrite. &#8220;Public areas belong to everyone, not just one group&#8221;. Hmmm&#8230;. So you are saying it doesn&#8217;t belong to just 1 group? Why are we still kicked out of public spaces, why are we still being put down? No shit we destroy property but if we don&#8217;t mother nature will.</p>
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		<title>By: A pissed skater</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-509866</link>
		<author>A pissed skater</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The skate stoppers are doing more harm than good. We WILL find a way, we WILL keep fighting until there are no more trees to make skateboards out of. People DID die for our freedom, we don't abuse it, we take advantage of it by expressing ourselves through skateboarding. No doubt there are kids that damage public property and I emphasize on public because it belongs to everyone. The more you stop us from skating the more we will find places closer to you or in your way. It shouldn't take 1 million years for you to adapt to the fact skateboarding is here to stay and will be pretty much where ever you go. This part is for shop owners or people complaining about us defacing stairs and such. How long honestly do you think that handrail is going to last without us? The property will have something happen to it some day. If your dear son/daughter is in the hospital dieing of a disease, you want to keep him/her alive right? But you know that one fateful day, he/she is going to die. I got off track anyways.... I guess my point is, you can put all the skate stoppers you want on a spot, we will find a way. You promote our entertainment and love for a challenge and we thank you.

Don't judge as a group, judge as an individual.
Skate on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The skate stoppers are doing more harm than good. We WILL find a way, we WILL keep fighting until there are no more trees to make skateboards out of. People DID die for our freedom, we don&#8217;t abuse it, we take advantage of it by expressing ourselves through skateboarding. No doubt there are kids that damage public property and I emphasize on public because it belongs to everyone. The more you stop us from skating the more we will find places closer to you or in your way. It shouldn&#8217;t take 1 million years for you to adapt to the fact skateboarding is here to stay and will be pretty much where ever you go. This part is for shop owners or people complaining about us defacing stairs and such. How long honestly do you think that handrail is going to last without us? The property will have something happen to it some day. If your dear son/daughter is in the hospital dieing of a disease, you want to keep him/her alive right? But you know that one fateful day, he/she is going to die. I got off track anyways&#8230;. I guess my point is, you can put all the skate stoppers you want on a spot, we will find a way. You promote our entertainment and love for a challenge and we thank you.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t judge as a group, judge as an individual.<br />
Skate on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://liftlab.com/think/nova/2006/09/17/anti-skateboard-devices-on-the-embarcadero/#comment-509428</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just skimmed this blog, I normally don't but I needed a break.. I would like to address some of the stuff that I read.

First, I love the argument that taxpayers pay for the public places that we skate, I have been paying taxes for 11 years and I skate the spots my tax dollars paid for.

Second, So we should stop whining about not having a place to skate and pay for one ourselves.. did you pay for the local park with football fields in your town.. I doubt it. Why is it that our request for a public place to skate is so ridiculous to you. I lived in a town that promised us a park in 1994 we got one in 2002. That is why we skate your public places. 

Really it all boils down to small minded individuals who can't seem to cope with their non-comprehension of skateboarding as a sport. The  "adults" going to city planning meetings don't want to build public skateparks, they would rather build parking lots. I know this because I have been to plenty of planning meetings. 

Yeah we erode public property just like rain, wind, freezing weather, or the daily barage of obese Americans who walk/sit on these structures. But, like me, many of us paid tax dollars to build that bench, ledge, rail etc... You don't hear us complaining about paying for your social security when there won't be any left for us. 

Basically, this dilemma will never go away...until all the old fogeys (baby boomers) that are from the non-skate era die, then we will see plazas like those in Canada where skater and pedestrian are in harmony. What a beautiful day that will be, I can't wait to be rid of thos damn aging hippies. You all should have OD'ed while you had the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just skimmed this blog, I normally don&#8217;t but I needed a break.. I would like to address some of the stuff that I read.</p>
<p>First, I love the argument that taxpayers pay for the public places that we skate, I have been paying taxes for 11 years and I skate the spots my tax dollars paid for.</p>
<p>Second, So we should stop whining about not having a place to skate and pay for one ourselves.. did you pay for the local park with football fields in your town.. I doubt it. Why is it that our request for a public place to skate is so ridiculous to you. I lived in a town that promised us a park in 1994 we got one in 2002. That is why we skate your public places. </p>
<p>Really it all boils down to small minded individuals who can&#8217;t seem to cope with their non-comprehension of skateboarding as a sport. The  &#8220;adults&#8221; going to city planning meetings don&#8217;t want to build public skateparks, they would rather build parking lots. I know this because I have been to plenty of planning meetings. </p>
<p>Yeah we erode public property just like rain, wind, freezing weather, or the daily barage of obese Americans who walk/sit on these structures. But, like me, many of us paid tax dollars to build that bench, ledge, rail etc&#8230; You don&#8217;t hear us complaining about paying for your social security when there won&#8217;t be any left for us. </p>
<p>Basically, this dilemma will never go away&#8230;until all the old fogeys (baby boomers) that are from the non-skate era die, then we will see plazas like those in Canada where skater and pedestrian are in harmony. What a beautiful day that will be, I can&#8217;t wait to be rid of thos damn aging hippies. You all should have OD&#8217;ed while you had the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
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		<author>Riley</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think alot of the people who are against skateboarding or skateboarders are people who look at skateboarders as inconsiderate punks and have had bad run ins with skateboarders. What these people need to realize is that these people are a very very small population of the skateboarding community. I have been skateboarding my whole life and love it with all my heart and i never associate myself with these people. I think people need have a broader view before they criticize what we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think alot of the people who are against skateboarding or skateboarders are people who look at skateboarders as inconsiderate punks and have had bad run ins with skateboarders. What these people need to realize is that these people are a very very small population of the skateboarding community. I have been skateboarding my whole life and love it with all my heart and i never associate myself with these people. I think people need have a broader view before they criticize what we do.</p>
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